Purchasing Energy in Game!

By azircon on 7/21/2025

Purchasing Energy in Game!

Today I saw a video by @synist3r which is quite thought provoking for me. I liked a lot of the problems discussed in the video. I requested him to post an expanded version and potential solutions at hive if possible. Following are the highlights discussed: (full disclaimer: these are his opinions, NOT mine!)

🤖 Liquidity bots are a problem in Modern Ranked mode, causing rating inflation and skewing SPS rewards.

📈 Top players have achieved unprecedented ratings (7,000+) within days due to liquidity bot activity, which is unrealistic for manual play. Basically argument is that they are too weak.

💰 Top accounts at Modern league exploit a loop of purchasing energy with Glint to generate SPS rewards that exceed energy costs, effectively minting SPS profitably.

🎮 Survival Mode is largely bot-driven and fails to serve its original purpose of supporting older card values.

🔄 Card staking is proposed as a better alternative to Survival Mode, providing transparent rewards for card ownership without bot abuse.

🔍 The community and developers need to analyze data carefully and adjust mechanics to maintain fairness and game integrity.

@ghostlybg mentioned in the comment of this video: "... As for energy purchase with Glint - they should remove this option"

There are five bullet point and with that quote in the comment section above: I will only discuss the 3rd point because I think the data doesn't support it. Thanks to @vugtis as he provided the energy purchase of top 6 Modern ranked players currently. In fact it is top seven, because the 6th ranked player didn't purchase any energy during the last 31 days! That already is a debunk of this claim! Here is the plot:

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Nothing beats data, because when we show and present data in a consumable visual form, usually the argument stops. Here are top 6 modern players, the bottom row, doesn't even purchase energy using glint regularly. Most common purchase is 25 energy per day, and only @kesryn does it consistently and only once a day, which I can't say that is excessive at all.

Player Sum of Energy Purchase in 31 days Average
kesryn 748 24.13
xawi 600 19.35
khazrakh 400 12.90
lorkus 314 10.13
magehan 178 5.74
hanv 167 5.39

You look at this data and tell me that what do you think. I see no evidence of any abuse or any excessive energy purchased claimed by Tales in the video or commented by @ghostlybg.

Here is all the data

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Here is the total plot:

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Sorry, I don't see any abusive behavior here, if an individual purchase energy once a day, and most far far less. They can do this all they want with their glint and play as much as they want from my point of view.

Rating Inflation

Yes, that is a problem. Yes, that is due to the liquidity bots. Yes, they are too easy to beat in champions. Yes, they need to have win rate centered around 50%. Finally YES, we need more human players.

PS: Bonus stack plot! I like this one.

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Here is the summary statistics for the top 6 (or seven) players. Notice the most common purchase is 25 energy or zero energy.

Player Mean Median Mode Std Dev Skewness
kesryn 24.23 25.0 25.0 8.92 -0.47
xawi 20.26 25.0 25.0 14.45 -0.14
khazrakh 15.00 25.0 25.0 14.70 0.14
lorkus 10.77 0.0 0.0 12.24 0.70
magehan 5.74 0.0 0.0 9.27 1.29
hanv 5.81 0.0 0.0 10.00 1.43

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Data for Wild League (later edition!)

Statistical Metrics for Energy Purchases

Player Mean Median Mode Std Dev Min Max Skewness Kurtosis
Vugtis 32.26 25.0 25 15.37 0 75 0.77 0.62
Bubke 23.55 25.0 25 17.49 0 65 0.79 0.22
Grand High Witch 22.58 25.0 25 7.36 0 25 -2.76 6.02

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These are the 3 top players currently at the wild league. Most purchase 25 energy. I see that as completely normal. Again, there is no abuse regarding purchasing glint and buying a lot of energy.

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Comments (7)

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seattlea's avatar @seattlea 7/21/2025

Not sure there is a rating inflation due to bots. They are working pretty good, unless you have a full modern deck they are much harder to beat than humans with full decks based on my experience. So I am mostly avoiding them.

azircon's avatar @azircon 7/21/2025

The rating inflation is real. Yes, it is due to the bots. I think it could be working fine for the lower league players, but NOT for the top players.

So, they need to be different and gated.

seattlea's avatar @seattlea 7/21/2025

Maybe adjust the bot difficulty level after you get into Champion 2 League? Or midway through Champion 3? Though if they become too difficult it is possible to avoid them all together as you simply stop the search at 30 seconds and you never encounter them...

beelzael's avatar @beelzael 7/21/2025

Do you know how much they made out of the energy they purchased? I don't know what Energy costs at Champion 1, but in Champion 3 it's 3600 Glint. The number 1 in both leagues make around 6500 Glint per win.

If that is combined with the bot-inflation, if the win-rate really goes up so much, it might be profitable even Glint-related. And then yes, they do get proportionally more SPS, as the bots have max-level-ghost cards pretty early on and beat up players with lower level cards.

Also, Glint can also be used to buy a lot of Chests, that should be taken into account, too. Maybe it would be better to look at "matches played" for this argumentation.

I'd say it's just unbalanced at the moment. Maybe it will balance back after a while, I do hope so.

azircon's avatar @azircon 7/22/2025

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Everything is taken into account. I don't see purchasing energy with glint is a problem.

beelzael's avatar @beelzael 7/22/2025

Thanks for the info! That does limit it to chests, then, but those go up in price in the same way if I'm not mistaken, 50% after each batch. Seems unlikely that the drain to the pool is significantly higher then.

azircon's avatar @azircon 7/22/2025

Yes, they go up in price with each purchase.

Very rarely people buy the second time. As you can see from the data. That is why I am saying there is no abuse.

beelzael's avatar @beelzael 7/22/2025

It just doesn't make sense after the first round. The second would be 9,750 Glint per Energy. I'd guess the average Glint made by the number 1 is around 100k Glint per day, 200k with the extra 25 Energy and 50% win-rate spending the first 100k, so back to 100k. That is only 10 more energy, with that they could make another 30k. So, Glint wise, not much of a win.

If they do so, the total energy would be 54. 27 wins, with around 65 SPS each, makes 1,560 SPS per day. Sounds like a lot, but probably isn't in comparison the the investment made for cards and the SPS stake.

Not taking into account any chests.

bozz's avatar @bozz 7/22/2025

Haha, I must be really dumb because I never would have thought to use my glint to buy energy like that so I can play more...

azircon's avatar @azircon 7/22/2025

LOL. That is one of the purpose of glint. The other being purchasing potions, when you need them.

bozz's avatar @bozz 7/22/2025

I've just been using mine to buy cards. Like gold foil legendaries when I have enough saved up.

saydie's avatar @saydie 7/22/2025

I'm sure at this point, many of the top players in modern owns millions of glint that that buying more than 25 of energy is not a problem to them, so they are not doing a good job of exploiting the purchase of energy and I think that was because for every 25 energy they purchase is another 2-3 hours they need to spend playing the game.

Liquidity bots certainly needs some adjustments. I fought some with 60% WR while some goes down as low as 10%. From what I read from the tavern before, it seems that there are multiple operators running the liquidity bot.

azircon's avatar @azircon 7/22/2025

Yes two operators for liquidity bot. One of them having problem delivering.

saydie's avatar @saydie 7/22/2025

Was wrong about 10% being the lowest. Should either pause the bot or move them out of diamond/champ until they can increase the WR.

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