Before I go into how @poshtoken works, I'd wanna discuss something I think many may not like to hear. Now I understand I'm an outlier in this aspect, because I'm involved in a lot of different projects and services on Hive and I'm also kind of a "no-life" user of Hive where I spend most of my days in and around hive. So it is kind of "obvious" that my posts, without being shared outside of Hive, generate a lot of traffic and views within hive. I'm not comparing myself to others when I say things like "if your posts are getting no "proof of consumption" but still getting a lot of rewards" maybe it's too much and some adjustment is due.
This does not mean that whenever some random "blind votes" happen to target a certain author that I'd jump at the chance to downvote such posts, I think the randomness effect is quite nice every now and then, if that author usually earns say $5-10 rewards and for some reason some accounts vote it up to 40-50$ every now and then that's fine by me. The issue is more if those rewards become consistent and the author shows no signs that there's anyone consuming the posts.
I think it's fair to say things like, if your post isn't getting consumed by close to anyone, it may not be worth much. This is something that's been discussed at length in the early days of the chain and I feel like over time it's become kind of a norm that no one bothers to "be active" outside of Hive to attempt to drive traffic towards our front-ends and their posts because there's little to gain for them. We don't have adrevenue, at least not a model that's actually generating revenue yet, due to visiting numbers being too low. We don't have a solid referral option for authors to refer new Hive users and "gain" something from them having joined through their link or by having read their post.
Something that also needs to be said is that Hive's quite unique in the way it generates inflation, the rewards "need to go out" basically. It doesn't matter if there's only 5000 active authors on Hive in any given week or if there's only 5, they'd all get the rewards pool whatever the case. There's been some bandaid options to this, for good or worse, people have opted to direct their upvotes towards other things possibly due to stagnation of an increasing unique author number, they are now voting for things like @hbd.funder or @buildawhale comments that burn author rewards rather than "overrewarding authors". I'm not going to get too much into that but I think there's value in putting the author rewards to use in different ways which we've seen grow over time.
One of those examples is for instance the SpendHBD community where author rewards are covering some discounts to offer towards consumers and attempting to invite more merchants to accept hbd or hive as a form of payment. Another is @poshtoken which through many ways attempts to reward users directly focusing on bringing in traffic to our posts and front-ends.
I personally think it's beautiful that Hive can be this flexible but with all these new ways of using the rewards pool we need to make sure that it's being used well and not abused. There are often many projects who attempt to do the same but ignore that the rewards they're generating are only affecting a few token holders at best and most of the time the person doing the activity themselves at worst. The rewards pool should not be used for personal interest if you're the one casting the votes and at the same time also earning the author rewards fully as this becomes counterproductive towards growing hive and distributing it widely which helps decentralization of stake.
Okay, now to dive into @poshtoken. Let's fast forward real quick that it was fairly launched with only sharers on X/Twitter earning tokens, no team allocation, eventually delegator allocation existed but that came at a cost of Hive Power delegations as well. Thus no one earned the token "unfairly" so to speak, everyone had to either delegate or share to earn it and it has been running for over 3 years now.
Lately the focus has been on @redditposh. The comments show any and every share of posts on Hive on reddit. Some may never see the light of day as they may get muted on reddit due to not following the subreddit's rules or other reasons due to hive links not being accepted on bigger subreddits due to them being too unknown for others.
Needless to say, to be good at sharing on Reddit you need to learn quite a few things. You need to find subreddits that are accepting of Hive links, you need to make sure viewers there have enough reason to click their way through to Hive and check the full post here - i.e. not give out all the info on reddit solely which may mean there's no reason for them to "read more" and click on the link at all. Then you also have to spend time looking for posts on Hive that may do well on Reddit which may be harder than it sounds at times.
We now have a way to properly reward people who are taking the time to learn and become "good" at sharing hive links on a top 3 website in the world. They've learned to navigate and find subreddits of all sizes that accept such links and it's become a win-win for both Hive and Reddit. A win for Reddit because they're not only being blasted with articles behind pay-walls and those icky sites that shove 20 ads on the same page and you need to browse 20 pages filled with ads to get to the information you wanna read more about. Most of our front-ends have no ads nor are they behind any paywalls asking them to subscribe or become members to read the full information on a certain topic that gets shared. A win for Hive because of the thousand of traffic that may visit our front-ends some may wanna join and create an account or wanna find out more what those "numbers" and "$" means behind the posts and comments.
At current reward issuance we are seeing roughly 2000-3000 hive per week going towards sharers with 20% going back to the authors if the sharer is not the same as the author of the posts that get shared. This is out of the weekly ~500k hive that goes to authors and curators. Not even 1%.
Now I'm not saying there may be some shares that are getting too high rewards and some maybe too low, it's not easy curating these as there's a growing number of shares daily from more and more users joining. I'd lie if I also didn't mention that we've been rewarding some higher than feasibly long-term as a way to encourage more sharers to join and learn to share which we've seen happening lately. Some times it is also hard to know how much actual traffic was generated when only a couple of our front-ends have a view counter enabled which can easily be gamed. What can't easily be gamed however is Reddit because they have over a decade of abuse-fighting and a centralized database behind them where suspicious activity gets stomped out, so we are mostly relying on them not being gamed when rewarding shares to hive.
Compare this to say, a DHF proposal that was supposed to market our blockchain and front-ends through traditional means that received over $150k in funding and showed little to no effects. I think spending less than 1% of our reward pool, 3000 Hive ($600 per week) on 50+ active sharers is not "a lot". Thus I'd appreciate it if you took this into account before you decide to downvote or counteract the rewards we're attempting to give sharers for spending time making Hive front-ends more of a household name and getting them in front of more eyes outside of Hive.
There's nothing for us to gain by running POSH and its different services, unless you count the very little funding we've thrown towards our devs to build everything and to maintain it running smoothly along with some server costs, or these posts of me talking about the project and earning some rewards through votes landing on the posts. I'm personally barely even active sharing and you can easily track who's earning what by looking at outgoing transfers from @redditposh.
I'd like to see the reward pool for sharing grow by a lot more and we having a lot more unique users actively sharing on a daily basis and competing against each other for the best shares as they all help bring more traffic to us which may some day make it all worth it rather than we continuing to exist in this small bubble and only attempting to bring traffic already here to our posts.
Either way, would appreciate your thoughts and opinions towards this matter, thank you for reading.
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@themarkymark, @buildawhale, and Co: While our opinions may differ, on-chain transparency reveals repeated patterns of concern. Coordinated downvotes without explanation, 'farming' schemes (e.g., #buildawhalefarm), and adversarial engagement harm Hive’s community-driven ethos.
Key Issues to Address:
A Path Forward:
The Bilpcoin team remains committed to exposing truth and advocating for solutions. Let’s work toward healing, not division.
Note: All claims are based on publicly verifiable blockchain data. Constructive dialogue is encouraged.
#HiveTransparency #CommunityFirst #BilpcoinSupport"
@themarkymark & Co, the choice is yours. Stop the bad downvotes. Turn off the BuildaWhale scam farm. Cease playing with people’s livelihoods. Let Hive thrive as it was meant to—as a beacon of hope, creativity, and collaboration.
Or step aside and let those who truly care take the reins.
Because the truth won’t disappear. No amount of lies can change it.
It’s over.
The Bilpcoin team brings these truths not out of malice but necessity. We have no need to fabricate lies or cloak our intentions CALL US WHAT YOU LIKE —for the facts speak loudly enough on their own. What we present here is not conjecture but reality, laid bare for anyone willing to see.
@themarkymark & Co we urge you once more: STOP. Stop hiding behind tactics that harm others. Stop clinging to practices that erode trust within the Hive community. Let the truth stand—not because we proclaim it, but because it exists independent of any one person’s approval or disdain.
TURN OFF THE BUILDAWHALE SCAM FARM
Key Issues That Demand Immediate Attention:
The problems are glaring, undeniable, and corrosive to the Hive ecosystem. They must be addressed without delay:
These practices harm not just individual users—they undermine the very foundation of Hive, eroding trust and poisoning the community. Such actions are unethical and outright destructive.
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The blockchain data speaks for itself. We are not fabricating these claims; we are simply presenting what is already visible for all to see. As we’ve repeatedly urged @themarkymark & Co—the solution is simple: STOP.
SO PLEASE STOP. It’s time to do what’s right for Hive and its community. Why cling to practices that harm others? Power down, step away, and let Hive thrive as it was meant to. You bring nothing positive to this ecosystem.
THOSE WHO ARE WATCHING—THIS COULD HAPPEN TO YOU.
PLEASE STOP.
We’ve shown that we’re here to stay and have exposed the truth. So why has nothing been done? Do @themarkymark and @blocktrades own the Hive Blockchain? Is that why no action is being taken?
https://peakd.com/hive-122609/@bilpcoinbpc/themarkymark-and-co-you-seem-to-enjoy-spreading-lies-but-here-s-the-truth-we-have-no-reason-to-lie
https://peakd.com/hive-167922/@bilpcoinbpc/themarkymark-and-co-you-claim-we-re-the-number-one-spammers-on-hive-but-all-we-do-is-share-the-truth-lol
https://peakd.com/hive-133987/@bpcvoter3/isn-t-it-funny-how-themarkymark-and-co-are-suddenly-talking-about-ke-levels-on-hive-well-look-what-we-found-some-of-the-accounts
https://peakd.com/hive-178265/@bpcvoter1/themarkymark-and-co-the-same-old-tactics-are-at-play-calling-people-names-and-telling-others-to-avoid-them-lol-keep-digging-and
https://peakd.com/hive-122609/@bpcvoter2/hive-community-are-we-really-going-to-allow-a-small-group-of-individuals-to-make-hive-look-like-a-joke-we-ve-done-the-work-we-ve
https://peakd.com/hive-196233/@bpcvoter1/you-call-it-sound-advice-coming-from-themarkymark
https://hive.blog/hive-126152/@bpcvoter3/in-this-one-wild-and-precious-life-we-get-what-better-mission-is-there-than-to-lift-each-other-up
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Sir i really waiting for this poshtoken ... listing in binance... thanks for sharing this beautiful content with us 💕 i always respect your opinion ❤️ i try to never miss your next post 📫
there's no way posh is going to get listed on binance, lol
Ohhhhooooo 🐱 one more think bro nobody suport in holozing community... what can i do but never give up
What can you do? Stop begging.
Poshtoken has already proven to bring a lot of views to Hive frontends and I think it's only the start of what can be achieved. The best way to increase numbers is to make the users sharing compete with each other, that's why I really really love the contests that are happening on @x-rain 's blog. It really makes me want to climb the rankings and stay on top with my View numbers, oh and also the rewards are pretty nice too :)
Over time we're also hoping to make the token more valuable for those competing for the daily token earnings. Currently we're too busy trying to assist with liquidity to nomnomnomnom and redditposh however :D
I gave up sharing my links on reddit, after I was banned permanently in some communities, which even does not give a chance to be reconsidered. Coming to rewards, I think, its legit to reward those people who take extra time to learn the perfect skill to market hive by sharing their posts - we are the marketing of hive.
Yeah I've been banned from a few subreddits as well, such as r/bitcoin for sharing a post about Satoshi.. lol
This is one of the most honest and important reflections I’ve read about Hive rewards and external outreach, POSH has quietly been doing what many funded proposals couldn't actually bringing real eyes to Hive from the outside, We need more thoughtful strategies like this if we want Hive to grow beyond our echo chamber, Respect for your transparency and long-term vision
Appreciate it, a ton of work has gone into posh as @rishi556 and @hivetrending can attest to as well as @x-rain who's been a major pillar of the growth of @redditposh.
So many hours that unfortunately have also wasted away of things we've built that X/Twitter made obsolete due to their ridiculous API costs, but we didn't give up and kept building for the sake of Hive.
Happy to help!
Not bad for a week. This is for the betterment of hive.💯
I don't know about no one I'm trying with #music4hive and much more and and not the only one
Regarding the win-win situation for Reddit and Hive, I'd like to add another point about how much subreddits benefit from our shares.
As I see it, subreddit owners normally are in a constant race to attract subscribers. Because if they lose this competition with similar subs, they start to starve for posts - the content flow slows to a trickle and eventually dries up - shares from Hive can revive such subreddits.
But what is more important: when we share a hot (usually news-related) Hive link, the Reddit algo can boost this share by actively showing it outside of the sub, and, thus, the sub gets hundreds or even thousands of new subscribers, which is especially helpful for growing mid-sized subs like 50-200K.
I really like the redditposh activities, it's fun and challenging, I can compare it to fishing, you need patience, find the right place, throw a hook and hope to catch something big 😅
The contest adds the competition factor
And it gives satisfaction bringing views, a recent share i made for 6k+ views, that's more than all active hive users lol
yes, Even tho I am content with my own rewards I get for posting what is on my mind, I have to admit that I often see some hivers who seem to get really big rewards for their mediocre posts,.. but, who am I to judge is what I tell myself. that's life! 👊😎🤙
How are things going on the bluesky front? I find it much easier to use then Reddit.
not a lot of progress there yet but it's definitely planned in the near future, at least to make it more like redditposh with registry icons and sharer and author rewards.
Awesome, good to know it's being worked on!
$WINE
Here is my first serious attempt to bring some attention to Hive on Reddit:
2.1K Views in 18 minutes... I will see if I get banned for this.
Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1lkqfbr/how_i_invest_two_hundred_dollars_into_crypto/
Post: https://ecency.com/hive-180505/@seattlea/usd200-monthly-investing-plan-brought
Suggestions are appreciated about improving this...
You're on the right track with your promotional projects. I'm doing my part in the Spanish-speaking community to continue supporting these projects. The more users we join to promote Hive, the more successful we will be. The key is to continue promoting Hive everywhere, attracting more people to it, and not giving up. It's possible.
One thing that I haven't found yet is a "tutorial"-community. Or at least a page that has the best tutorials, is actively managed and explains the HIVE in different grades. A tutorial for starters with very basic stuff, intermediate, and so on. Something that I can send to friends and say "Here, do that and start contributing." I on-boarded one friend so far, and it was quite difficult for both of us. I learned a lot more about HIVE in the process. And I found a few good, but scattered tutorials. Some great HIVE tutorials were in the Splinterlands-Community, leading to more confusion as they're focused on HIVE for Splinterlands.
That would help a lot to promote I think. If it already exists, I'd be super grateful for the link! If not, I'll write my own, with blackjack and whores.
Besides that. Back to marketing. I'm a small-business owner for 10 years now, and I tried many things. In the end, it always comes down to mouth-to-mouth and authenticity. If my products are good, people will talk to each other about them, and I gain more customers. All the paid advertising in the world could not have done what recommendations do. I'm very convinced of HIVE, so I do talk a lot about it. I can't count the times that I say "[...] and I actually wrote an article about that, making the argument [...]" - and I'm only posting here for 6 months now (besides Splinterlands).
As for authenticity, yes, HIVE has some problems with AI and such. But in total, it's still a very authentic platform, something that SOCIAL media was before. All those sharp edges, all those rough patches, that is part of it. When I take pictures of my bread and other products, I never take them in front of a white screen. They're in front of a white wall where recycled and spray-painted containers serve as flower pots. The pictures are just alike the business - not-perfect. We screw things up. The sourdough behaves erratically.
Hive is very human in that way. Very authentic. Too much marketing will attract the wrong people. Those who don't get it. Who are in for the money. From what my HIVE-Mentor told me, there already is a frontend-project in HIVE that did just that, and not much good came from it. I do like your approach, though I'm not using it much yet because my initial experience on reddit was squashed (a subreddit that was supposed to be accepting, but wasn't). Also, it's hard to find good quality content on reddit, there's so much superficial BS. Okay, on HIVE, too, but a lot less than on reddit. At least in the communities I found and like to read.
What you say is correct. One has to put in the work to find the right subreddits to share links in. Not only to spread the word, but also to spread the word to those who care, who fit. I, personally, don't see myself taking the time for that. I still have too much to learn about HIVE. I rather find or write that manual and then inspire my friends and others here in Ecuador, just like memo does.
That said - thank you so much for all the work you're putting in all this! It's impressive how wherever I look, there's always something that has your mark on it.
Hive platform gains a lot of good opportunities to everyone. That is the reason why I really like this platform. Sharing articles using reddit? Well, Never yet visited that site before, And I really like to try.
Well, I’ve put a lot of effort into learning the system, even though it’s outside my usual expertise. It’s fun but can be time-consuming and sometimes stressful, especially when trying to follow Reddit rules and engage with communities to give Hive a good impression. Sharing isn’t just clicking a button; it requires real work. Still, the gamification and knowing we’re helping Hive’s ecosystem make it worthwhile.
I agree the rewards feel small compared to the time and effort spent on Hive and Reddit, especially if you’re aiming for a good number of views. But I want to continue supporting HivePosh because we’ve built a great team, and I hope to stay involved as long as possible. I appreciate the hard work of @acidyo and the team, as well as all the Hiveposhers. I know how much time and effort you all put into getting those views, and I believe this project is worth supporting to keep it going.
Spending my morning reading most of your post to understand how to get good at sharing on reddit. I get very little comments there, and maybe it's because my posts may not be that interesting. I think for now I will focus on sharing others post than trying to write the perfect blog to share while I work on my writing.
Cuts my work in half and helps others get some exposure and rewards.
Thanks for this amazing project, will do my best to support