I am just writing this without too mch thinking about good formatting, grammar, language (hey I am German, no native speaker anyway) - and by saying this - exactly that might also be an issue to attract people from outside Hive to jump on our chain (this is purely related on the social media part of Hive though!).
Why do I write this now?
Well I jumped on the great @redditposh initiative driven by @acidyo @x-rain - fun to post links to Hive content there and create a lot of views on our chain! This is the good part - but do we convert people, do we get new users, and ikf so we retain them?
Side Note - I prefer to get masses in for Hive to invest not necessarily become a content creator though
But that is a different topic.
?1681931189New users attracted via Reddit expect good content
This is what I leared from the last 5-6 week on Reddit - some ban/delete posts simply as they get a "headache" of:
- shit grammar
- shit language
- useless AI driven content
- useless (re-used) content
- wrong or bad researched content
This is only a small selection - hence all the guys that try to post on Reddit should really be aware to select top content, well written - most is in English hence not all of us run through all pieces language and grammar wise or cabable - of course their subreddit also have their own rules and hate blog posts which are immediatley banned (fair enough).
- Qualification matters
- Not every cool headline makes sense
- Choose the right subreddit and read the rules they have - they are even more happy in downvoting as some people here on Hive haha
- Be carefully if the above points are good to get into discussions
- Some subreddit are totally shilling certain things like BTC, some are the exact opposite
My main learnings after being engaged and active on Reddit - We talk tooooo much about our chain
This is what I never realized that clear before - probably 90% of any content posted here can hardly be used for other platform, no matter if web2 or web3 - we love to:
- Talk about ourselves
- Write why Hive is the best blockchain or whatever
- Re-use too much content from trusted sources without careful resarch and adding less value
- Shitpost irrelevant content
- Reddit - I have to confess - have higher quality engagement
While I am also guilty of posting useless (or irrelavant) stuff on Hive - this should just be a discussion point. All of us love to write about their personal life, show their photos, their music, their initiative - this is all ok for Hive, sometimes even relevant and educating for other. But most stuff is talking within circles about irrelevant topics.
I am not saying that I want #Hive to be the best social media platform with in-depth thinking at every post. But I do think having seen Reddit now for a while with more focus - what we create as considered good content here is not really always relevant for other people that have no clue about our chain, our approach - no matter how great the chain technology is. We should all try to focus on better content (including myself - so i should stop writing content or I should focus on content that could also be relevant for people outside the Hive blockchain).
If you have nothing major to say why bother others to read - if within niche communities all fine such as contests and stuff - if we want to use content to make Hive bigger or more known we need to select the best pieces - a thing I am struggling with at the moment. Means I personally also failed here.
I compare Hive now to web2 stuff such as Facebook as an example
On Facebook everyone can write, comment, contribute - most there is stupid and people fight again other people in the comment section - most try to drive political agendas and postion themselves as the good one (Totally Black and White) - I hate that. On Hive we are way better in that case.
But even on Facebook people talk / discuss content - they hardly write about:
Hey Facebook is the best social media tool - I love it here
Looking forward to your thoughts guys!
Especially asking the guys I know trying to drive people from Reddit to Hive
@tsnaks @dkkfrodo @theworldaroundme @loading @flummi97 @davideownzall @blkchn @hindavi
PS: I know i have several typos and grammer mistakes here as I just wanted to write this down - But I appreciate (as everyone should) to get feedback what was wrong and what all can do better - thanks for reading!
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Many thanks for tagging me! First of all, I do not take myself out of the correct grammar, spelling or expression in English, as I am not a native speaker myself. 😄 I also do a lot of things with a translator and then read over it again.
I've also been on Reddit for a few weeks now, perhaps a little shorter than you, and share the various Hive blogs there. I have to say, I haven't quite figured out yet which blogs work on Reddit and which don't. There are various reasons for this, mainly because there are so many different subreddits, all of which have different rules. Sometimes I also find it a bit random that blogs are removed, especially if they have a good upvote ratio and there is also a good exchange in the comments. But maybe I'll have to give myself a bit more time and then I'll figure it out. I mustn't forget that I was never on Reddit before and didn't have an account. That's why I'll take your points (shit grammar, shit language, useless AI driven content, useless (re-used) content, wrong or bad researched content) with me.
I also completely agree with you on the point that we talk/write a lot about ourselves on Hive. When I have some time, I scroll through different communities and see which blogs might have potential to be shared on Reddit. I personally come across a lot of content about the Hive blockchain itself or topics/projects related to Hive. Personally, I'm no better, so I mostly write about Splinterlands. That's because I came across Hive through Splinterlands and still invest a lot of time in the game. It would certainly be better for sharing on Reddit if more was written about other topics. But I don't know if it would actually help the Hive Blockchain. Unfortunately, there are no direct figures, but I would be interested to know whether or how many people actually use Hive themselves when they come across a Hive blog via Reddit.
Thanks mate (you are German as well :-)?) -think we agree in general.
I am not saying all here should only write about stuff un-related to Hive or let us drive by Reddit like potential content - SPL I wrote daily when I joined but that is past lol.
But i think (see that on Facebook, Twitter / X and everywhere) - content should not be circle about our own niche environment only - if we keep that we will always remain a niche - it is cool as community to encourage each others but we might wanna reach a next step that in an ideal world everyone uses Hive as they now use Facebook - if we get there and people in addition understand the metrics, key system of Hive, how to join, what PoS means, what crypto means and as a result they feel comfortable to be here and feel safe that would be perfect - a topiuc many people alrady discussed.
Getting people to try is easy, but mayn just leave after some weeks as of frustration or because they do not understand Hive.
I am sure @acidyo has maybe ideas on how we could convert and retain new guys - but I also do not knopw any stats a bout the Reddit visitors and whether they / some create an Hive account.
Not criticizing folks here - appreciate this initiative a lot - to me one of the best program to attract people and / or make this chain visible to the outside world. But as always, requires work and as we are de-centralized we need to work as a team as wen can not expect one person is doing all the work :-)
sorry for furhter grammer, typo failures
Yep 😃
I absolutely agree. When I think back to my beginnings on Hive... Others would have given up long ago. It's simply not comparable to creating an account on Facebook and the like. And creating a Hive account is not the end of the story. You first have to understand the upvote system, save your keys, and so on and so forth... But I think that's another topic.
I'm also glad that Posh exists. Any effort to get new users on Hive is good for now. Even if the success rate may not be promising. But as you have already written. It's hard work and everyone has to pull together.
Danke Dir - sehe ich alle ähnlich :-)
Well yes, they're like a top 3 website in the world, they have users and all of those users are spending their time engaging, sharing and even creating original content to share there without earning anything.
It's hard to say how many create an account, generating ref links on the shares would be an even bigger barrier and for certain get you muted/banned/shadowbanned or posts deleted. So we haven't really tried to see how many it actually brings in, but we know it's bringing people to the front-ends, at least the ones that have a viewcounter and the comments confirm they've been shared somewhere without being deleted, so we can reward that as it's at least something compared to nothing for almost half a decade until posh existed. (although there are some others incentivizing this lately as well like @hive-echo which is nice to see)
Reddit's about sharing, whether or not you may earn some posh tokens or hive for it I doubt reddit cares, they get content and activity and new registrations and maybe we do as well so it should be considered a win-win and fair use of the API, until they go the X route to make it a lot more expensive due to the overwhelming use of AI bots taking over the reddit space lately, who knows.
But yeah, it's not easy to find content to share on there from day to day as many like to post about things that are quite mediocre (due to our small userbase) that wouldn't get far on reddit as the demand there is high for the newest content or the best quality or most meaningful trends of the day. Maybe we could create a list of people who we've had a good history on their posts doing well on reddit so people could focus sharing their stuff more - but at the same time we also don't wanna encourage spammers trying to share the same content that's already been shared once because they might be able to earn some rewards for it.
Thanks @acidyo - agree in all points. Reddit is different but huge and seems we have a way better access there compared to Meta platforms or X.
Good idea here (but also dangerous to attract usual spammers indeed):
For me it is not about earning but to show this other platform that we have awesome content creators here in Hive and that this might be a cool chain also for businesses - hence all that share should be taking care of quality. Maybe we should test this a little bit further and tale conclusions when we might be more established - maybe folks there create a sub "Hive - what is this - sounds cool" or so :-)-
Re Onboaarding guys arriving (if they are interested) is a different topic - I have no solution yet but happy to help in a group to brainstorm options what we can do - of course not by using referral links.
Good idea about encouraging people to focus more on sharing their own content. It will promote creating better content instead of trying to divert away from what they’re good at just to get good amount of views. In this sense, creators can build a strong relationship within the subreddit.
I personally like the fact that some redditors take the time to check out your work on Hive and then comment about it on Reddit. Eventually, they may even join Hive themselves.
I never knew about spamming when I first started, and I was actually spamming without realizing it until someone called me a spammer. That’s when I looked into it and finally understood what it meant.
@acidyo. You mentioned about resharing, I think resharing content that was removed from one subreddit but is suitable for another should be okay?, especially if the content is good and relevant. However, it’s not always clear what’s allowed, and that can be confusing for newcomers.
I’m especially concerned about some oversharing in friendly communities, which can unintentionally make us look like spammers.
Because of this, I believe we need a clear and simple guide, especially for new users, on what to do and what not to do, especially for those who are inexperienced, like I was when I started. Currently, it's like the Wild West, where everyone acts based on their own understanding. And competition makes people push boundaries. So maybe just a basic guideline on spamming would be really helpful. It would support healthier community engagement, help users build a good reputation, and reduce the chances of being unfairly labelled as spammers. It also gives Hive a better reputation in the long run.
Ohh @uwelang, what a very good summary of your observation. Hive is a smaller community, so people love to share personal stories. It does well here, and that’s what makes Hive unique in that sense. But sharing life stories on Reddit can be a disaster; it often leads to downvotes and accusations of self-promotion. People there usually don’t want to hear it. They want facts they can use.
Reddit is a giant marketplace of minds, and you'll find all sorts of people there. As much as there are sharp ones, there are loads of silly ones too. Yup, you'll learn how to navigate it. None of us is perfect, and we all make mistakes, even typos. You can get picked on for those too. You'll also come across the police and pedants, and I just dealt with one actually and made the pedant happy, Haha! I’d say take advantage of the fact that you can learn from them. Sometimes, just letting them argue among themselves is the best solution and quite entertaining too.
You’ll learn as you go along, and remember we’re representing the Hive and trying to attract others, so good behavior is important. Haha! In time, I’ve learned a few tricks myself, like never taking anything personally. Though it’s tough, it teaches me a lot and yes, it’s humbling. ☺️👍
Thanks darling - I know about our chain and what we usually share, well I started 2016 I think right after launch (my bad) when Steemit was new :-(. And agree it was always great to share moments of live etc - I do not want to miss these posts - and Reddit is major, was already huge that time and is very different but to me kind of fun to finally discover and learn (Reddit says i created my account over 10 years ago but it was not really used).
I am also testing small nicer subs now, low view but nice engagement - think the long you are there and proivide added value also with comments ther nicer they are. Today I also got educated about a typo - but we got along - but there are certains subs we really need to be careful - found a new friend who also gets bashed by anti BTC, anti crypto communities there.
To me not anymore about the views (even I hate to have these low stats) but more about engagement - and the more these guys trust you the more it might be even an option to tell them directly that there is a cool chain out there.....
Your points are true, on reddit you need to share high quality content, you can't say an average post because it gets downvoted, reported and in comment it gets bashed leading other people to bash even more... They also are very hateful towards Ai generated content, I got banned from a sub for sharing a post that in the end was ai generated but I didn't know...
Most of hive articles are food, travels, personal events and that's not really what's good for reddit
As for the how many we onboard, I agree with @acidyo, for how cool it would be to add ref links and invites to join hive, then mods and reddit itself would see it as a heavy self promotion, advertising and users stealing, banning instantly everything... So better like now, bring people here, read stuff and eventually get curious on how hive works
https://x.com/jewellery_all/status/1918024698102993161 #hive
I deliberately write very few posts about Hive hype. I blog about what I want to blog about regardless of the platform.
I think seeking crypto investors misses the point, because a censorship-resistant blog is a valuable idea that requires bloggers and commenters to work. We need the critical mass of active users long term.
Thanks mate - you indeed write broader content regardless of platform - seeking investors directly yes might wrong approach but seems the wave of people anti censorfree is growing these days - they trust government and banks
It may be time to switch audiences. Here in the US under Biden and the COVID regime (which started under Trump), the right felt both real and imagined threats to free speech. Now with Trump in office again and considerable uproar over issues like immigration and international relations taking the spotlight, the left may be open to a freer platform. I think they generally have a worse grasp on economics, but they may be more open to free speech protection now.
worthy articles are scarce
We do have some quality content, but then there's a lot that is not really interesting to people beyond the creator's friends. Quality really does matter and we need it to get people to visit. The internal audience is pretty small.
I still find Hive fun every day as there are a lot of cool people here.
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Thank you for mentioning me; it is a very good article. To provide some background, I joined this platform about a month ago after I saw many of my vegan recipes shared by someone. I worked hard for my content, but it seemed someone else was benefiting instead. I read the posts written by @x-rain and decided to join and share links to my vegan recipes whenever I publish them on Hive. Additionally, I share some bird photos related to birdwatching.
English is not my first language, and I use a translator, but it's often difficult to find equivalent words in English for my Marathi language. I am a physical professional, not a digital, and I am doing my best to connect Hive with Posh Reddit. If there is anything I could improve, I would be grateful to receive feedback from more experienced users to learn and enhance my experience.
Totally agree.
There are a lot of posts about games, actifit. I am not really interested in these.
I have other interests.
Yep, I have no problem people writing of their fav games - I had one game her as well but these actifit posts to me are pretty annoying, they are all over my feed - at least the content has improved during the last years but still.
I do not completely agree with you considering hive as a self-referential community. On the other hand, I guess I have to check out Reddit before drawing my conclusions. I have only heard about the platform, I am yet to experience what it is really all about.
Food for thought Uwe, I have been using reddit more and more, will see if there is a place for Hive in the subreddits I am looking at.
You know the posts about Hive friendly subreddits? All have their own rules, sometimes it works, sometimes not :-)
I was looking at xrain posts last week, will have a look more next week and see what is what.
Yeah, also @poshtoken have some lists here:
https://peakd.com/subreddit/@poshtoken/hive-friendly-subreddit-list
There is good content here but whales are often too lazy to find it and prefer to autovote often the same people over and over.
i know :-) - some even have own circle jerks but pshhhhh
Mostly this is what I think is happening. They basically hate self-promotion.
I've noticed this, too. I only visit Reddit when some Google search drives me there to get some question of mine answered. Other than that, maybe I commented on Reddit a handful of times in my life. But recently, when my Hive posts were getting posted there with redditposh, and I saw hundreds of upvotes, and real organic caring engagement, I was like, This is Cool! This is what's missing from Hive! This is what we writers want!